Church should be a sanctuary for difficult conversations

September 12, 2017

By Kristopher Norris & Mike McCurry
Special to UMConnection

This was some summer of discontent. We witnessed many divisions in our politics and culture spilling into the streets in marches and protests, and most vividly in the violence in Charlottesville. We see in data increasing evidence that our polarization as a society is growing wider; the cleavages in our public discourse becoming deeper.

When large segments of our country view those who disagree as “enemies” and when our social networks consist only of those with whom we already agree, there is little basis for the kind of spirited dialogue that can build consensus and make progress on the difficult issues before us. Questions abound about the federal budget deficit, immigration reform, climate change, criminal justice reform, and the role of the US in the world; yet they linger unattended when there is no “safe sanctuary” for honest debate.

We firmly believe the church must be a destination for these conversations. We know that many pastors and lay leaders would prefer to keep politics out of the church. After all, we believe in “separation of church and state,” right? While the Constitution ensures no establishment of religion, we know that our history is replete with examples of faith leaders taking important and impressive roles in leading towards positive change.

Now is a time such as this. While most congregations have become homogenous echo chambers for our political proclivities, church leaders might begin by raising these difficult issues for discussion, and then seeking opportunities to dialogue with other congregations composed of those with different ethnicities, economic statuses, and political preferences.

Why not provoke real discussion, with an openness to having our minds changed by the Spirit through these encounters? We might just discover common ground, and seek ways to organize together for real change to our policies. Gently guiding these debates does not come naturally to church leaders. We know that there are skills, techniques, and best practices that can shape a more loving dialogue. At Wesley Theological Seminary, we are committed to that kind of teaching; for those seeking ordained ministry but also for those bound for ministries active in the public square, advocating for economic and social justice.

We do this through our National Capital Semester for Seminarians (NCSS), which brings students from seminaries around the country to Washington for an academic immersion in “public theology.” Students learn from leaders of faith-based organizations, elected officials, and government workers who consider their faith to be an integral part of their work. We are non-partisan in our approach so students are exposed to multiple views. And while we are passionately Christian, we are also compassionately multi-faith at a time when we need better understanding of how different faith traditions shape policy and the world in which we live.

We also do this through courses that touch on specific issues, such as religious freedom or religion and the American presidency. One example this semester is a new course on “Church, Politics, and Race in a Polarized Society.” While issues of racism have emerged at the forefront of our national consciousness, this class will examine the ways racism is deeply woven with our politics, theology, and church history, as well as explore ways churches might bridge these divides and work for a common good.

Wesley Seminary is committed to making a difference here in Washington. That is our calling as an institution of theological education in the capital of this nation, but it is also something we have come to understand as critical if the church is going to shape our national political discourse in faithful, just, and merciful ways.

Rev. Dr. Kristopher Norris and Mr. Mike McCurry are co-directors of the National Capital Semester for Seminarians and teach as part of the Center for Public Theology at Wesley Theological Seminary. McCurry is also former White House Press Secretary to President Bill Clinton and was a delegate to the 2004 and 2008 General Conferences of the UMC from the Baltimore-Washington Conference. More information is available at

carla skidmore, RN (retired) Sep 13, 2017 8:22pm

The minister should never, ever tell her/his congregants how to vote, or for whom they should vote. She/he, however, should be free to discuss issues, especially issues that deal with how compassionate, caring, and yes, non judgmental, Christians should treat their fellow human beings.
No fellow human being should be stopped from marrying the person whom they love, as long as each person is single. This is a human rights issue. Human rights should be part of a Christian message.
Women's rights are human rights. Women should always be considered equal to men. A woman should never have to be "subservient" to a man in a marital or personal relationship.
If a loving, compassionate Christian has graduated from a three to four year seminary, he/she should be able to attain ordination.
These are important issues and should be addressed in sermons.

Paula Jones Sep 15, 2017 4:24pm

No way should politics be brought into the church. I experienced this last Wednesday night when the choir director, who had a captive audience during practice, started talking about the political atmosphere and what she wanted. She should stick to music, that is what her job is, and not try to tell a choir of people what they should or should not stand for politically. Many of the members were just sitting with their mouths open in astonishment . I am the organist at this church and if she does it again I will walk out and probably go to the PPR committee. I have been at this church and this job for over forty years I do another want my pastor or teacher trying to influence me , I know who and what I stand for.

Carla Nov 7, 2017 8:26pm

Some sites have clergy and clergy who teach in seminaries who only want to hear what they want hear. I tried to tell one cleric with a blog about a, now retired Episcopal bishop, Dr. J. S. Spong, and his many writings and talks, but he did not want to hear about him. Unless someone writes in complete agreement with this cleric, their comment will never see the light of day. It is a blog that allows people, making comments, to comment on what someone else wrote, either to agree or disagree. However, this young cleric only wants to hear from sycophants.
As for politics, or support of candidates, Dr. Spong steers clear of any opinion on his part, but he is clearly progressive, and wants the Christian Church to move forward, not backward in time, and he is 85 years old!